REBORN! Theories, Speculations and Unanswered Questions

[morrilicious]

Of all the arcs, the Future Arc seems to bring about the most topics for discussion about the Rings, the Vongola, the Millefiore and the Arcobaleno. I think its time we had a single thread to discuss them.

Let me start things off with a few theories and ideas that have been floating around in my head.

The Identity of Gingerbread

I was struck by Genshiki's line about everyone dancing to Byakuran's tune, which made me think of puppets which, of course, lead me to Gingerbread. No one knows his identity, so it got me thinking that maybe he's Byakuran. It would make sense if he wanted to keep tabs on what was going on in the Melone Base. Ginger's true powers seem to be kept under wraps, just like his identity. He's not shown wearing a Mare Ring, but then I doubt he would keep it on one of his puppets than than on his person.

Plus there's the fact that Byakuran has a massive sweet tooth, and what is gingerbread if not a sweet?

This is a rather weak theory, I'll admit, but I have a feeling that Ginger's true self is someone we've met before.


Byakuran & The Gesso Famiglia

So just what is the Gesso's power? They are described as "up and coming", yet they don't have any of the Rings or Pacifiers. Even so, Byakuran still managed to subjugate the Sky Pacifier holder (though Uni is still a child so that undoubtedly gave him an edge). Byakuran obviously has Sky wave energy and the Mare Sky Ring doesn't seem to need to be held by someone of a certain bloodline like the Vongola Sky Ring. Unless Byakuran is maybe the illegitimate child of one of the previous Giglio Nero bosses.

Despite most of their members being named for flowers, the Gesso Famiglia's name refers to a type of white primer (according to Wikipedia its also Italian for "board chalk"). Whereas the Giglio Nero is named for a flower ("black lily"), but all members except the leader, Uni, have names unrelated to flowers. Maybe the Gesso are using pseudonyms? I don't know if this means anything, but its worth thinking about.

Hibari: Just How Much Does He Know?

Gokudera called 10YLHibari "no ally of our's" and he obviously considers himself a separate entity from the Vongola. So just what is Hibari doing? He mentioned being interested in the Rings and Boxes because they are weapons of power and of all the Vongola he seems to be the only one with advance knowledge of his past self reappearing. Is he in cahoots with Irie?

There's also his resemblance to Ipin's master, an Arcobaleno, and the fact that Amano did not give him an age or blood type in the databook. I suspect he has some connection to Ipin's master. Especially considering he refrained from striking Tsuna when he accidentally used Ipin as a shield. It could be that he recognized her either because he is some form of Ipin's master or because he is somehow related to him and thus recognized her.


The Missing Pacifier

I don't really have any theories about this, but the Millefiore do not possess two of the seven Pacifiers. One is obviously Colonnelo's, but who does the other one belong to? Reborn's was presumably taken from him when he was killed and Lal Mirch's doesn't count as it is outside of the original seven. So who is left? Viper and Skull are said to have been killed. Same with Verde. The only one left is Ipin's master, though I believe Reborn or Lal have mentioned that all the Arcobaleno are dead.

This is quite a mystery.

Since I obviously have too much time on my hands, I whipped up this chart on the tri-ni-sette.

I'm still iffy about Uni being one of the "original" Arcobaleno since she's not in infant form, nor does she appear to have any trouble with the anti-tri-ni-sette radiation. The Red Pacifier holder is most likely Ipin's master, but since he doesn't even have a name yet I didn't bother listing him.

[Maruko]

Wasn't the previous boss of the Giglio Nero (Uni's mother) the Arcobaleno, not Uni.

[morrilicious]

Probably.

But Uni's mother died looking like her normal age, so that leaves a lot of questions. Like, is she a failed Arcobaleno too? And why is it that Uni received some of her mother's abilities (and thoughts, it seems).

I have a hard time believing that a dedicated and devoted underling like Gamma would fail to notice that his boss was pregnant. So is Uni the result of whatever ordeal the Arcobaleno went through (i.e. the event that left them in infant form)?

[Maruko]

That's true. Although have there been any details about the manner of death caused by the anti-tri-ni-sette radiation? Is it possible that they could have reverted back to their adult versions due to the effects of the radiation. I can't remeber if it has been explicitly stated yet.

Uni's birth is definitely still a mystery.

EDIT: Actually she must have been in her adult form for quite some time, so I guess Uni is probably a product of whatever caused her mother to retain her adult form.

[Gokudork]

... About the pacifiers....

They brought Reborn back from the past, WHY? There doesn't seem to be much of a reason.

I'm guessing that somehow, Reborn hid or destroyed his pacifier in the past, giving Byakuran a reason to bring him to the future before he ended up doing that.

I seriously want to know. After looking at lovely diagram, my brain exploded. Then again, it could just be the Tylenol PM messing with me... >o>

[Maruko]

I want to know more about the Cervello. Who controls them? What are their motives?

[morrilicious]

After rereading some of the more recent volumes, I've formulated a theory about the current status of Mukuro. Chrome dreamed of Mukuro saying "I am here". He could mean that he is there in her subconsciousness, or still there in that era, but in that same dream Irie's white round machine is shown. I don't think Mukuro would have known about that unless he'd seen it, so I'm thinking that Byakuran but Mukuro in it.

Or, more likely, a version of the machine he secretly made in Italy. It's also possible that, as Irie stated, Byakuran found a way to duplicate the 10 Year Bazooka's effects and brought the past Mukuro to the future and imprisoned him there.

Originally Posted by Gokudork

... About the pacifiers....

They brought Reborn back from the past, WHY? There doesn't seem to be much of a reason.

I'm guessing that somehow, Reborn hid or destroyed his pacifier in the past, giving Byakuran a reason to bring him to the future before he ended up doing that.

Well, we just found out Irie was the one who brought them all over, with the approval of 10YL!Tsuna. I suspect Reborn was brought along because Tsuna knew that his past self would be useless without Reborn's guidance.

Originally Posted by Roda

I want to know more about the Cervello. Who controls them? What are their motives?

Me too. During the Sky Ring battles, they seemed sided with Xanxus, but at the end it looked more like they were sided with the Ninth.

But ten years later, they work for the Millefiore, so who knows what happened in the interim.

[Fuu]

Would it be too far-fetched to say Mukuro is manipulating Byakuran? This whole arc was simply a massive charade orchestrated by the one and only Vongola Mist Guardian?
srsly, one should be allowed to dream

[Gokudork]

Originally Posted by Reverie

Would it be too far-fetched to say Mukuro is manipulating Byakuran? This whole arc was simply a massive charade orchestrated by the one and only Vongola Mist Guardian?

I think I would die laughing if that happened because it's so out there. All to get Tsuna's body. Wow. He's.... got no life. XD

[XANXUS]

Originally Posted by Gokudork

All to get Tsuna's body. Wow.

fuck yeah
gayest pineapple ever

[Gokudork]

XD It would certainly be unexpected, but I can see her pulling it.

Amano = biggest Mukupineapple fangirl ever.

[Ryuga]

wow Gokudork lol but anyway i think my theory is a little far-fetched as well but maybe Byakuran is some how future Tsuna like he abondoned the Vongola after reborn's death then changed his looks and he wants to destroy the Vongla for 1.get rid of his past mistakes and 2.to get ultimate power

[Gokudork]

If that were true Byakuran would be stuck in that giant machine thing.

[Digital_Eon]

Originally Posted by Vongola Primo

So is Uni the result of whatever ordeal the Arcobaleno went through (i.e. the event that left them in infant form)?

Is it okay to ask what you mean by this? I mean... I've only read KHR once, and you're the extreme fan, so I probably haven't picked up on this aspect of the series. Would it be possible to elaborate on this idea of the Arcobaleno being left in infant form/being adults? I'm not questioning anything, just really curious and sort of fascinated with the idea, but I don't feel like I know enough (due to skim-reading, I guess) to be able to see this.

[morrilicious]

Skim-reading?

Well, I was referring to the fact that we don't know what process it is that the Arcobaleno go through to get their infant forms. We know that it is possible to "fail" that ordeal, as Lal did, and that if the "curse" isn't used the Arcobaleno can grow up. There are so many unanswered questions about the Arcobaleno ordeal that any theory is possible.

It doesn't help that its not clear if it is Uni or her mother who went through that ordeal. All we see is that it's someone wearing that hat Uni and her mother also wear. It could be possible that Uni is also a "failed" Arcobaleno, though not in the same sense as Lal. Lal's failure could have somehow affected the rest of the Arcobaleno. Or it could be that, as the holder of the Sky Pacifier, the Giglio Nero Arcobaleno (whoever she may be) was transformed differently than the rest.

Like I said, there are a lot of unanswered questions when it comes to the Arcobaleno. Until Amano reveals more all we can really do is speculate.

[Digital_Eon]

(Skim-reading = reading it once and paying more attention to what happens so that I can understand the next chapter rather than thinking of theories and looking at the big picture. You know how you catch things on re-reads and all.)

Thanks, Morri.

So the implication seems to be that the Arcobaleno were something else before they became infants, rather than being born or created as such? Okay, that's what I was a bit confused over, and it seems there's still lots more to be revealed on that... I didn't remember Uni had the pacifier until I read this thread, though! Great idea for a topic.

[Fuu]

I should re-read KHR. There are too many minute details that have escaped me :<

And to be honest, I don't want Uni to be an Arcobaleno.

[morrilicious]

Originally Posted by Digital_Eon

So the implication seems to be that the Arcobaleno were something else before they became infants, rather than being born or created as such? Okay, that's what I was a bit confused over, and it seems there's still lots more to be revealed on that... I didn't remember Uni had the pacifier until I read this thread, though! Great idea for a topic.

Well, yeah. During Lal's fight with Gingerbread she flashes back to right before she and the other became Arcobaleno and they're all clearly adults.

Since the Arcobaleno Pacifiers are so important, it seems like they were chosen by... who or what ever is in charge of making the Arcobaleno for their skills. If I remember correctly, Reborn was a top assassin, Viper a top scientist, Viper a top sorcerer. Presumably Skull and I-Pin's master were at the top of their field too. Lal was in the military and trained the COMSUBIN, so perhaps she's a military specialist. If that's the case, then the Arcobaleno were probably chosen for their skills so that they could protect the Pacifiers (and possibly the rest of the ti-ni-sette).

The only one without a specialty seems to be Uni. During one of Gamma's flashbacks Uni's Mother mentions something that made me think her Pacifier was passed down her family line. I want to think Reborn mentioned "receiving" his Pacifier, the implication being that he got his when he became an Arcobaleno. Since Uni's Mother had her's before then... I'm not really sure what that means.

Originally Posted by Reverie

And to be honest, I don't want Uni to be an Arcobaleno.

Why is that?

[Digital_Eon]

Oh, that was before they became Arcobaleno?! Wow... okay, I definitely missed something there. I thought it was more recent (that they grew up, hence why I was somewhat puzzled at Lal being considered a failure). That makes perfect sense; thanks for the explanation.

Perhaps the one in Uni's family was an exception (not given to an Arcobaleno) to protect it somehow? This is probably a silly guess... But maybe if the Arcobaleno would be obvious targets...

[morrilicious]

Well, Lal got her facial scars from becoming an Arcobaleno. And since I can't imagine any other reason for all of the Arcobaleno to come together in their adult forms unless it was to undergo the ordeal that turned them into infants.

Plus, I think Colonello mentioned something in the flashback that made it apparent that was why they were all together.

Reborn celebrated his first birthday in the Daily Life Arc, so I think we can assume that he's only a year old from when he was "born" as an Arcobaleno. He also mentioned Dr. Shamal being the one who delivered him, so either Shamal is a lot older than he looks or else he was present when all the Arcobaleno attained their infant forms.